AM-2201 – A Hyperpotent Halogenated Unintended Consequence

With the recent legal issues surrounding certain synthetic cannabinoids in the United States, the market has changed. Instead of economic pressures selecting certain cheap to produce cannabinoids with desirable effects, legal pressures have now created a situation where the inelastic demand of recreational drug users causes overseas manufacturers to seek the highest potency compounds in order to minimize risk of seizure. People still want to buy it, but they want to minimize the number of transactions, so send the tiniest package with the largest value.

Previously in the market we saw various simple substitutions of the cheap, easy to synthesize, and potent original, JWH-018. But halogenated analogs, previously cast to the side due to more involved synthesis routes, are now becoming more popular due to the trend of increasing potency and duration. The difficulty in handling these very powerful compounds has caused them to be most prevalent in the commercial “smoke blends” market, where a fraction of these halogenated analogs can replace a far larger volume of the earlier generation cannabinoids. With these new legal pressures on end users however, we are seeing an increasing tendency toward the retail sale of these pure compounds.

The first of the halogenated AM series cannabinoids to reach the market was AM-694, discussed in Synthetic Cannabinoids: JWH-018 Replacements. This shares a fluoropentyl chain with AM-2201, and initially health concerns were raised about possible metabolism to toxic fluoroacetate. Luckily it appears that the odd-numbered (pentyl) chain means that the less toxic 3-fluoropropanoic acid will likely be produced instead, but this raises questions – if an even numbered fluoroalkylated chain was found to obscenely potent, would these health concerns prevent it from being brought to market? Or would the economic incentives of this crudely regulated market result in a product being sold with the excuse that only chronic long-term exposure is likely to result in apparent health risks? One would hope that manufacturers would not be so greedy, but history is not reassuring.

The effects of AM-2201 also appear to differ from natural cannabis and the first generation synthetic cannabinoids, both to start and as tolerance builds. Initially the effects are quite similar, although doses for AM-2201 are approximately a third of JWH-018. This has resulted in many reports of self-reported “seasoned” synthetic cannabinoid users having anxiety reactions as a result of apparent overdose due to increased sensitivity to inaccurate measurement. Tolerance builds quickly, and frequent users have reported psychedelic-style effects typically previously only associated with high-dose oral consumption of marijuana. The major difficulty with these high potency compounds is finding the “window” – that range of dosage where effects are strong enough to be considered enjoyable, but not so strong that peripheral effects such as anxiety or or dissociation affect the recreational potential. Measurement noise appears to translate to a rather inconsistently enjoyable experience.

It is frustrating that regulators appear to not consider the consequences of the time-tested inelastic demand of recreational drug users. Natural cannabis has been used for thousands of years with little ill effect, and its prohibition resulted in the birth of the synthetic cannabinoid market, compounds that have been known to science for at most a few decades. Now unthinking attempts to stamp out the first generation synthetic cannabinoid market have resulted in the promotion of hyperpotent substitutes patented in the mid-2000s. It is the very definition of unintended consequence to consider that regulatory promotion of these relatively unknown compounds could result in more public health concerns rather than less.

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    • american biproduct
    • July 19th, 2011

    Ive been using AM-2201 (7h blends) daily for 6 months. Recently i smoked more a higher amount than usual very fast and experienced out of mind side effects. I have taken pscilocybe cubensis (majic mushrooms) in the past and have never in my life been so scared for my sanity. BE CARFULL!!!!! we dont have any idea the pscological damage this stuff apperently causes.

    • George W Bush
    • August 17th, 2011

    Yea I have been using AM-2201 daily for 6 months. I did grow a tolerance for it and I would smoke double as I normally would but nothing. I just felt a little high but it never got any stronger because I used more. I quit for 2 weeks and just bought some now. I feel real good for on hit. Dont use it if you feel you need more to feel the same..then you will waste so much money like me..

    • lynda
    • September 10th, 2011

    I used it for 2 mos, after successfully using jwh018 for over a year. The high only lasts for about an hour and a half, but is very similar to the jwh.

    I have used real pot all my adult life, so I have a frame of reference for high dose/strong cannabinoids and long periods of consistent use. Never before have I had anything like bipolar disorder, but I flushed this AM shit down the toilet after just recovering from a manic depressive cycle that went on over the course of a month. The short version of the brain chemistry is that your CB1 and CB2 receptors stay 100% clogged with spent cannabinoid molecule, and the whole feel-good machine of l-dopa, serotonin, gaba can get shut down. My libido was wrecked. While I recommend mania, I DO NOT recommend the depressive cycle.

    I am as mentally healthy as they come, and have never had a reaction to any other drug, legal or street, except itching from Vicodin. BE CAREFUL WITH THIS, as if you don’t have experience monitoring your mood, you may end up in worse shape than I did. I’ve been put on Lamictal to stabilize my mood as the approx time for this stuff to lave your system can be up to or more than 5 mos. I will never use it again on any consistent basis.

    • Tyu
    • September 26th, 2011

    Despite previous experience with a lot of different substances and believing my friend to be immune to re-dose compulsions and binging, this chemical has caused both behaviours in my friend. It’s interesting, strong and pleasant when used sensibly, but beware buying bulk quantities of this as it’s just asking you to become dependant on it.

    Stay away from coming to rely on this substance – 1 or 2 small doses a day will quickly become 7 or 8 major ones and leave you struggling to connect with other people or indeed thinking of anything other than when the next opportunity to dose is. Three months ago, a gram of this would last my friend a month. Now, a gram will last about 5 days.

    Larger doses would initially leave my friend couchlocked with nausea, now they just make my friend fall asleep (or maybe they make my friend retreat into a more inner space for a few hours – my friend can never remember)

    • Mr. B
    • October 9th, 2011

    The only tolerance I’ve noticed is that if I smoke in the morning and during the day, its not as good at night. This can be countered by saving for another day.

    All things in moderation

    • dirty deebz
    • October 24th, 2011

    I have smoked this for over 6 months or so and can for sure say that your tolerance builds REAL fast. And you do indeed become easily addicted to it, only to obtain the high you get when you first start smoking spice.

    • Mr.Shaq
    • November 7th, 2011

    So I’ve probably used around 20G of am-2201 over a 6month period of time, at first a gram lasted me around a month, or so (my first buy was just one gram) then I started buying 2-5Grams from my turtle-friend.
    I personally can smoke 5grams in a month, in large doses and keep my sanity unlike alot of people… maybe its just me, but I do advise people to NOT take this for granted. I mean it. Really don’t. I’ve personally “OD”ed on it a couple times (probalby 35-50MG Doses) and personally just tripped / puked. Withdrawls = NO for me, I smoked around a 3G modest amount a month ago, and once I was out, I DID want some more for around a day, but after that I was fine. My body didn’t hurt, no sickness, or any of the sort. Its just a ‘fun’ RC I do w/ my friends, and my self. It does make you anti-social but thats why we have computers, right? Any ways, I like the stuff, but I can go on 3-5 Grams of it, then get off it like nothing, but some people maybe will become addicted, low will power, I suppose. Hope I helped any one out looking for any questions

      • snugles
      • December 29th, 2011

      just wanted to say that with my personal experience 20 grams in six months is a very small quantity i used to smoke 25 tp 30 grams a day with the pure chem sprinkled over a fresh batch of my own shit… the od from it was the mot insane scarriest moment in my life and my brain and sanity are still fucked from it am 2201 is not worth the risk just smoke weed and if you really want to have an out of body experience i would recomend meditation ( then theres no risk of siezures or.death)

    • Chris
    • November 12th, 2011

    @Tyu wrote –
    “Stay away from coming to rely on this substance – 1 or 2 small doses a day will quickly become 7 or 8 major ones and leave you struggling to connect with other people or indeed thinking of anything other than when the next opportunity to dose is. Three months ago, a gram of this would last my friend a month. Now, a gram will last about 5 days.”

    Absolutely spot on there. Used for several months (AM-2201 on Damiana with an acetone solvent, fairly average strength compared to shop bought highs) and stopped cold turkey. Won’t go back. Aside from tolerance issues, it disturbed me that there were observable crystal formations in the phlegm coughed up (recrystalized am-2201). Unpleasant I know. As with crystal meth, it can be presumed that these crystals may cause iritation and / or potential scarring to the lungs. Smoked cigarettes along with blunts for ten years and haven’t smoked the last five , and the presence of crystals after exposure to am-2201 disturbed me more than anything previously used.

    It is not marijuana. It can become a habit quite easily.

    You’d think an educated mature tax payer would be able to make the choice to vaporise legal high quality cannabis in his own front room in 2011.

    Until that day then I’m going straight edge – apart from nominal caffeine, but I’m unamused that I’ve been denied one of the most pleasant experience enhancing substances, my personal drug of choice, cannabis and cannabis alone.

    Leave these synths alone IMO. Huffing petrol may get you high, but is it worth it? Certainly do not let it become a habit.

    • josh
    • November 25th, 2011

    Only one hit of the D2E blend (AM 2201) which purportedly contains this and I was blasted into another realm of consciousness. While I still knew that it was me, my identity was almost lost, and it allowed me to recount the most pressing issues of the person I stared into the mirror. I had to keep on reminding myself that the person I was staring at was actually me.
    I had to lie down, closed my eyes and heard what sounded like pan pipes. It felt as if this music, when a certain note was hit, was inducing me into a portal of some sort. It sounded almost like the scenes in the matrix when the characters were transitioning into other realms. I was flooded with very vivid and colorful imagery. I entered a castle that was beyond location. I saw various creatures, various groups in colorful robes. I wondered whether I was dying and passing into the afterlife.
    Rather interesting experience but because of its intensity, I recommend this be done rarely and in a very controlled setting.

    • daniel
    • November 29th, 2011

    I’ve been smoking spice since they came out with it and still smoke daily and nothing has happened to me.people react to things differently.I like it cm.I can key my job and still do my sort,ya dig

    • DailyToker
    • December 3rd, 2011

    Well I make and sell herbal incense, AM-2201 is the active ingredient in my company’s product.

    I add 1g of AM to 30g of Marshmallow leaf, and it last me about 10 days or so.

    I have been using AM2201 for over a year now and have not noticed any ill effects…its just like smoking weed to me.

    I guess everyone reacts differently.

      • j son
      • March 6th, 2013

      well, i have been smoking the inscence now for about three years. i am now starting to notice physical affects that are a bit alarming. pains in the kidneys, pain flashes throughout my body. Last year i had to lock myself up to get off of it and methadone at the same time, so i wasnt sure what was what, HOWEVER, the only thing that mattered to me when i was going through A hell like that, was wanting incense to smoke. this stuff is VERY dangerous when used like marijuana. If you must get stoned, stick with the real, there just isnt enough research done on these compounds. Now i am faced with having to quit permanently again, and the thought of spending another two weeks in a jail cell and two weeks in a menyal institution scares the shit out of me. If you like the thought of checking into a mental institution, then keep smoking it, if not, find someone you love, and hold on tight, b/c it’s rough. STOP SELLING IT, STOP MAKING IT, YOU ARE KILLING PEOPLE SLOWLY. Just look at their face before they smoke, then after, look at their eyes, their skin color, their expression changes. it is totally sad. What we thought was a new alternative to illegal weed, is now causing life changing side effects, ….effects that kids just getting out of high school should not be dealing with.
      i implore you, before you die, STOP USING/SELLING or even thinking that at “safe”doses it’s okay, there are NO SAFE doses, it IS poison. and the damiana has cyanide like compounds too, but even the althea officianalis, verbascum thapsus, tunera diffusa, and other cannanbinoids are dangerous to your permanent mental stability…PLEASE TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY, AS I HAVE NEVER FELT IT SO IMPORTANT THAT I POST ON A THREAD…PLEASE HEED THE WARNING!!!!

    • Addicted user
    • December 18th, 2011

    I don’t think people realize what theybarengetting into when it comes to the am-series of blends. I am screwed right now. I’ve been smoking spice for four years and only recently have the blends starting having am2201 in it. This stuff has withdrawals just like heroin. I am horribly addicted now, I can think or eat without it. I can’t sleep. My lungs are wrecked from smoke damage. The withdrawals are worse than any opiate addiction. Please save your self and get help from this cannabinoid

      • User
      • January 8th, 2012

      This is grossly exaggerated: It is an absolute non-sense to compare opiate addication with a syn cab addiction. You may have taken too big of a hit. Sit down and relax. I’m intimately familiar with syn cabs withdrawals and your body and mind will function just fine in two weeks and you will not have the cravings. In heroin case, a person inherits a life long addiction instead similar to addiction on alcohol. Do not panic and mix apples and oranges.

        • Jason
        • February 27th, 2012

        No he is right. Ive been using for 2 1/2 years and i could easily kick any JWH product no problems but after delving into am-2201 my life turned upside down. I now have signs of kidney damage and the withdrawals were horrifying. I am the experience and Im telling you this was the final straw. am-2201 may have destroyed my life. I am clean but my health is very poor. Everything from anemia to feet swelling, pain in my kidney area. Siezurs, minor but leaves me with a nasty headache. Fatigue, no appetite and have to force myself to eat. I used to defend these drugs and was a major manufacturer but now that my health is at stake i realize this stuff needs to go away for good. I will no longer supply this drug for fear others will potentially get analgesic neuropathy. Stop before its too late

          • Zheke
          • March 7th, 2012

          The effects you experience are subject between case to case, I have been smoking the stuff on and off in large, large quantities and I can stop cold turkey and have stopped cold turkey for just as long periods of time with little to no ill effects, the worst side effects I’ve had is a nasty cough that goes down after abstaining from the stuff for a few days accompanied by a headache, some mildly disturbing mental states (I’ve danced closer to the fires of madness than this crap, try datura my friend), this is AM-2201 mind you, it’s not pulling me in or getting me addicted to the point where it’s ruining my life, and I truly, truly think the individual and how they treat the stuff matters, as for kidney damage, was this the only substance you were taking, at all in your life, was there ever a time you abused another substance, can you say beyond a shadow of a doubt and have medical papers to back it up that the AM-2201 was solely responsible for your kidney damage? I’ve been using this stuff for at least a year now if not longer on and off, and for long enough periods daily that it could be considered chronic use and still stopped cold turkey because I wanted to let my system clean itself out for awhile, this was a conscious choice. I should also note I notice absolutely no cravings for more, but then I also quite nicotine after over a year of daily use cold turkey as well so maybe I’m just unique.

          FYI, if you’re interested in the amount I was smoking daily for a long time, it was up to 10 grams a day, for around a year, still stopped cold turkey, didn’t suffer from anything more than some lethargy and very mild depression (I have worse depression naturally from my bi-polar cycling), the effects were gone after a rough week if even that.

          Yes, I’ve had blood work done recently, kidneys are in godly health as well as my liver.

          • martha
          • March 27th, 2012

          jason how are you feeling now? i have got suddenly ill with almost the same symptoms months ago and am still sick. can you offer any hope or advice? how are you dealing with the anemia?

            • Cd
            • May 18th, 2012

            Same symptoms. Feet swelling anemia. Quit and my blood work came back normal. However ct scan showed enlarged liver and spleen. Liver biopsy and bone marrow biopsy negative. Now docs considering am2201 as the cause. Just quit. I showed no other symptom than foot swelling and now am on a three month journey with 4 specialists all over this shit. Yes I can say without a doubt as I use no other drugs

    • RA__Survivor
    • January 7th, 2012

    I have discovered a great medical benefit to these synthetic cannabinoids. The ability to prevent Rheumatoid Arthitis flares. After research into the JWH and AM series over the past year and a half I know of a person whose progression of RA symptoms has been mostly reversed and prevented by use of these compounds. This person was in intense painful flares of pain caused by RA. After daily use, these flares ceased and stiffness and pain has ceased. No more pain meds are required. A wonder drug for this horrible condition.

      • Jason
      • February 27th, 2012

      Yes these have some wonderful properties however the longer term side effects is not worth it. Smoke the real stuff. More studies have been done on that and it is proven to aid in more things than these synthetics. It isnt worth it. I am so sick i may not be around much longer and hope to get this out to anyone using these drugs. The risk for analgesic neuropathy is much higher with the am products. please dont let yourself get like me.

        • Zheke
        • March 7th, 2012

        you misspelled your ailment, it’s analgesic nephropathy, AM-2201 can’t be the cause of it either, it’s caused by analgesic painkillers such as asprin and I’m 100% sure AM-2201 isn’t an analgesic painkiller.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analgesic_nephropathy

        only caused by analgesic medications, I assure you that while AM-2201 has analgesic “properties” it is not primarily one and I find it extremely unlikely that you suffered kidney damage unless you were smoking far, far more than I was, and again, 10-20 grams a day for 365 days at least daily, and my kidneys are in perfect health.

    • Amy
    • January 7th, 2012

    me and the bf do season salt our herbal tea he and i both are sedated he has bad /cough he blames rc chems. iam echoing the warning about ODing. go slow. do ur research

    • Mike
    • January 10th, 2012

    I’d just like to add my experience with this product.

    My views are very similar to what most people have already mentioned. This is a strong product, one which you build a tolerance to very quickly. It’s easy to have too much too quickly although I’ve been lucky and not had any serious adverse side effects.

    In response to RA_Survivor, I have also found that this product is an effective pain killer. I recently got my thumb caught between my bicycle handlebars and a brick wall (don’t ask..) and for the first couple of days it was throbbing and quite sore. However after I smoked a joint of a herbal blend with this stuff, spliced with about 50% tobacco, the throbbing went away completely and the pressure seemed to have been completely relieved.

    Anyway that’s my 2 cents..

    • M
    • January 23rd, 2012

    Another 2c worth, for a bit of balance.

    AM-2201 herbal mix became popular here (UK) about six months go. It was obvious that this was stronger than weed and deserved respect – one or two huffs is plenty for most. Also that it’s not appropriate for a daily habit. Pretty much everyone I know is using it once a week or so, for special occasions, not replacing daily cannabis use with it. And still enjoying it as much as the first time.

    • J
    • February 24th, 2012

    Honestly considered I might die. Never again.

    • Jason’s right
    • March 14th, 2012

    Jason is right, Anyone who doesn’t agree is lucky, just wait till you can’t get it anymore and come back and repost and lemme know wat u think. My life is ruined…

    • White Tigger
    • April 26th, 2012

    You retards… why do you smoke SO much of this stuff? I bought 5 grams of a JWH a year ago and still have 4 grams left. I make a blend out of peppermint and smoke maybe a bowl a day. For what it gives me I’m completely satisfied. So that’s 1 gram… and I end up with about 2 ounces of the stuff. And it lasts me a year.

    You guys are smoking way too much of this stuff. Can you say mental disorder. Just take it down to an enjoyable level. Like I said… 1 or 2 grams should last you a year.

      • Dawn
      • June 12th, 2012

      Hi I was just wondering how u smoke this stuff? I smoke a 3/4 joints a day but I’ve never tried any of these b4 & have no idea how to go about it then readin through all these posts urs seemed the most sensible, hope u can help.

      Dx

    • W
    • June 12th, 2012

    People that should of been crack addicts.

    • Fuck AM-2201
    • June 23rd, 2012

    FUCK AM-2201 and whoever says its only a strong potent that gets u higher than Weed! as if whoevers saying that is simplifying whatever consequences this shit has! thank u so much Jason for putting the word out and i think that ppl should be more honest about what really goes on with this stuff .. i will never smoke that shit , a friend of mine tried it and he has a tolerance of a horse when it comes to smoking weed and other first synthetic drugs and i saw him getting beyond fucked, as ive never seen someone that high before in my life! ppl plz be aware that this shit was manufactured in 2009!!! thats why alot of ppl dont know the actual long term effects of it as the corperate companies themselves state that it is a dangerous drug if put in the wrong hands!! how frickin invalid is that sentence! i mean if put in the wrong hands!! can they be more vague about such a thing ! headaches, minor seizures, collapsing, coughing blood, are just a few things that come along with this shit, other than what jason told us already, anemia is one hell of a thing to deal with !!! SMOKE AS MUCH POT AS U WANT and u wouldnt be as 1% as fucked as the AM-2201! and to those who make fun of ppl being retarded about whether they should consume alot or not i tell them that they did NOT smoke the real stuff! there are more than a 100 kind of dipped cigs which are called dippers! anyone can bullshit anyone in this fucked up generation were living in .. whoever didnt try this i strongly recommend that YOU DONNNNT!!! mark my words u WILLLL regret it later on .. i hope i helped a bit to set some records, and to those who are being a bit skeptical about this i tell them DONT BE!!!! always remember that theres a thin line between sanity and insanity .. this shit is DEFFFF the true definition of a line!!!!

    • Your Future
    • July 5th, 2012

    You’re just talking about metabolism of the fluorine.

    What happens when someone BURNS this stuff? It’s made to be injected as a research chemical, not puffed from a pipe!

    Do some research on the toxicity of overheated Teflon, then you will see the horrors. That’s why forum reports show it destroys the lungs.

    • Bonzi mania
    • July 10th, 2012

    Yes I’m the big boss here. I’m used over 4 years in cyprus. I take almost 9 grams peer day with my big bong.. sometimes make me crazy and my stomach got sevral damage.. I wake up every morning throwing up

    now i have seroquel 400 mg and i quit this shit..

    • Holy. Fuckin. Shit.
    • July 28th, 2012

    I bought smoked Rush Party USA’s “Mind Trip”. Didnt find out it was AM-2201 til the next day. I had no idea how potent a cannabinoid could be. This is an extremely powerful hallucinogenic, and should be used in very small amounts around 500micrograms to 2mg.

    This is coming from somebody who is experience with weed, LSD and mushrooms.

    I did a gravity bong hit without knowing the potency around 6pm. i tripped super hard but came out ok. The intial effects wore off and then me and my friend stumbled around drunk for a while. I decided to take 1 small hit a few hours later. it worked fine and i was high for 30min. I did it again 2 hours later. it was fine. i did it again. it was fine. At 3am, i decided to take 2 massive rips. Heres the effects.

    -Time dilation. At first time started moving slow. Eventually time slowed down so much i was comprehending milliseconds.

    -Dissociation. I felt like i was watching myself and my actions through a movie. Like it was destiny. I, myself, couldnt control what i said or did. I was just doing it or saying it, and it was very frightening that i was aware of this.

    -Aware of being aware of being aware. You know how you have a limited view on life? like right now you can see the edge of your view, the edge of your peripherals? I was completely aware of this. I was looking at my view of the world through this new view.

    -Feeling at one with the universe. I started to think about my consciousness and how it relates to the universe. Next thing i know, my conscious is torn in half and the new me is looking through my eyes through an entirely different perspective.

    -Complete loss of memory. I was tripping so hard i forgot i was even on the drug and thought this was my new permanent reality.

    -My body was completely numb. Couldnt feel a thing. I might as well have been floating.

    -A constant high pitched ringing. This was the icing on the cake. It took it to another level for this ringing to be here while i was completely dissociated with the time dilation and looking through my eyes through a different perspective.

    -Vision could move around like i was super wasted drunk. Its like where you spin around 10 times and then stand still and your vision relapses and skips while trying to focus. It would be like this if i stood up and walked around, or looked around the room too fast.

    I have never tripped so hard in my entire life. I felt like a vegetable, trapped in my own mind and body, looking from the inside out. Time froze with a loud pitched ringing.

    the most terrifying part was vision though. Becoming aware of being aware of your vision, it looked like my entire life was a 30 frame per second movie, and i was aware of every frame. I had trouble with perception of distance, so it looked like pictures in a frame. this was my new reality.

    I felt a oneness with the universe. But in a strange, weird way. I had no idea when i would return to normal or if i ever would. because time had slowed so much.

    DO NOT SMOKE TOO MUCH. PLEASE DOSE ACCORDINGLY. In 500micrograms-1mg its quite pleasant and fun. IF YOU GO OVER, it is the definition of a fucking batshit insane crazy trip.

    • T.
    • August 11th, 2012

    The main thing I wanted to say was this: This shit sneaks up on you.Its crazy how unhealthy it is and ITS FREAKIN EXPENSIVE. If you want, you can do the math: 3-gram bag for $21.67 (sometimes cheaper, sometimes more expensive), every 2-3 day, for 5 years. Not really sure why my parents gave me access to my college fund (prolly b/c while I was testing out k2 they were on meth)…regardless, it’s gone now.

    I smoked incense for 5 years. These are the types I used (in order(I switched products when they would go illegal)) the original K2, Pyaria, Kryp2Nite, Syn (first version), then New Dimenison, then Outer Edge, then I found Syn was once more being sold and I went back to that. I’ve also tried, on occasion, many many other types of incense. Though I’ve never tried Bath Salts, plant food, etc.
    Due to horrid experiences, huge weight-loss, and still persisting chest-pains I have quit.

    By far, I preferred Syn and Kryp2Nite.

    I’ve had very negative expereiences with all of them:
    -I can no longer stand up quickly or I will, and I kid you not, black out for a few seconds. (severe vertigo)
    -Once when smoking from a Bong I experienced something I never want to experience again. At this point, I was probably the heaviest smoker of incense in my school and had been as such for 2 years. Yet, all of my “experience” meant nothing when I had the REALEST feeling of spiders invading my mouth, burrowing into the roof of my mouth, and growing some type of nest-like thing. This all happend in about…30 seconds btw. After I felt the mass in the roof of my mouth “fall down” it fragmented into little chip-like things. When these “chips” hit the lower part of my mouth they broke in dozens of spiders. The kicker for me here is that I felt around with my tounge and I swear to god I felt bugs. (though they weren’t really there) I choked, dry heaved, then vomited. All was well after that.
    -I took a break after the above story, but not for very long lol. When smoking Outer Edge I expereince my first ever anxiety attack. Words truly cannot described how fast my heart was beating, the best example I can give is that it felt like I had a machine-gun in my veins. I blacked out after about 30-45 minutes. I have had a sharpe, knife-like pain directly in the area of my heart.It has persited for about a year and half now and worries me quite a bit. Its VERY painful, similar to the feeling of having something hard stuck in your throat, but its in the chest.

    Above represent only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what incense can do to a person, I’ve never had a “freak out session” but i’ve seen friends come totally unhinged (they go berserk/crazy) upon first tying this shit. I used a steady, constant amount for years…and I got less than nothing to show for it, cept for some DAMN chest pains.

    STICK WITH GANGJA, trust me, it’ll work out better in the end.

    There is a single positive I got out of this though. When it was legal I got to smile at the cops while they couldn’t do shit but confiscate my bag for “misuse of a product”. Haha, good times, they’re over now though. If I were caught with what I had then I would be charged with a Class-C felony.

    • greenraj
    • October 12th, 2012

    There is only one solution before it is too late..Please for God’s sake, legalize the real original 100 % natural marijuana which is a living plant. They have no right to ban it..

    • simon
    • November 7th, 2012

    wow people have been abusing this stuff!!! 25g a day??!! thats 50,000 doses! idiots like that is how stuff gets banned

    • Sophie
    • November 14th, 2012

    Bought 3g of Blueberry Mamba. I smoked a pure cone of the stuff last night.

    During the first ten minutes I felt super stoned, nothing out of the ordinary.
    Once the initial wave of being really stoned had hit me, my palms started to sweat, heart was pounding, I instantly grew nervous for some reason, didn’t want to make eye contact or talk – I felt panicked, much like I did when I tried a high dose of salvia. I find that the visual effects are similar to that of salvia’s… it’s almost like the contrast is raised and everything looks dark, deep and colourful, not in a good way though – in a creepy nightmarish kinda way lol. I felt slight pins and needles in my hands and arms… although it wasn’t consistent pins and needles… was like a sporadic popping tingling sensation…. and it felt like I had a hat on, my head felt heavier, like there was extra weight inside my skull…it didn’t hurt, it just scared me. god I don’t know how to best describe it to you guys, it was really fucked up, kinda nice, but fucked up…. anxiety and giggles don’t go together. if you want a bizarre experience, I would recommend Mamba. Personally, I think good old ganj is better.

    • kholecn
    • December 11th, 2012

    Hello

    I would like to know about can I be use marijuana leaf hash ? I do not want to use other herbal leaf.
    My plan 5g marijuana leaf hash mix with 0.100g am2201 . Per g hash content 20mg am2201

    Its can be use ?

    • Sp
    • March 1st, 2013

    Tyu you are so right i had the same experience as you’re friend did
    This stuff iz dangerous. Only for the very experienced

    • j son
    • March 6th, 2013

    j son :
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    well, i have been smoking the inscence now for about three years. i am now starting to notice physical affects that are a bit alarming. pains in the kidneys, pain flashes throughout my body. Last year i had to lock myself up to get off of it and methadone at the same time, so i wasnt sure what was what, HOWEVER, the only thing that mattered to me when i was going through A hell like that, was wanting incense to smoke. this stuff is VERY dangerous when used like marijuana. If you must get stoned, stick with the real, there just isnt enough research done on these compounds. Now i am faced with having to quit permanently again, and the thought of spending another two weeks in a jail cell and two weeks in a menyal institution scares the shit out of me. If you like the thought of checking into a mental institution, then keep smoking it, if not, find someone you love, and hold on tight, b/c it’s rough. STOP SELLING IT, STOP MAKING IT, YOU ARE KILLING PEOPLE SLOWLY. Just look at their face before they smoke, then after, look at their eyes, their skin color, their expression changes. it is totally sad. What we thought was a new alternative to illegal weed, is now causing life changing side effects, ….effects that kids just getting out of high school should not be dealing with.
    i implore you, before you die, STOP USING/SELLING or even thinking that at “safe”doses it’s okay, there are NO SAFE doses, it IS poison. and the damiana has cyanide like compounds too, but even the althea officianalis, verbascum thapsus, tunera diffusa, and other cannanbinoids are dangerous to your permanent mental stability…PLEASE TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY, AS I HAVE NEVER FELT IT SO IMPORTANT THAT I POST ON A THREAD…PLEASE HEED THE WARNING!!!!

    i have had luck with decreasing the intake daily, dealing with sweats like im, coming off heroin..this is not going to be fun, but neither is a life addicted to consuming garbage…this stuff is str8 from the pit of hell, ive NEVER seen anything SO deceptive in its nature…..talk about a wolf in sheeps clothing, BEWARE, RESIST THE DEVIL AND HE WILL FLEE!!!, YES, you are the universe and we are eternal beings, but this life decides where we/ you spend eternity, trust in Christ, and trust me, whether or not you “believe”, it IS reality, we ALL die one day, and have to meet our maker, so please stop harming your temples, and go play catch with a kid or something. LOVE and LIGHT

    • Joe
    • March 11th, 2013

    Stupid! that we have to smoke this shit cause our fucking govt. wants to make more money off weed by keeping it illegal!

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